ISAF Youth Cat: Goodall Design discards the Viper

Lost opportunity? Or a safe move to protect the cat yard finance? Goodall Designs does not want to bid on having the Viper as next ISAF official Youth Multihull. With Henry Demesmaeker and the rest of the RSBC performing on Falcons & Vipers the F16s are a good choice for youths. More taking account of the current status of Multihull racing: Americas Cup in Flying 62s, racing foiling A-Cats and the refined F18 development (-weight aspect), a more suitable previous step seems reasonable, although the SL16 looks good to me right now.
Brett Goodall puts a complete report on the matter below.//
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Press Release Goodall Design: VIPER SAYS “NO” TO ISAF

“In November, 2013 ISAF declared that the current youth multihulls were not a suitable pathway catamarans. ISAF have now asked for information regarding relevant boats. Read on to find out why we said no.

In their request for information, they asked manufacturers to consider “Lower cost “sailor development” alternatives that build grass roots sailing.” They also state “The Offeror shall demonstrate the ability, commitment and business plan to supply and maintain at their cost the multihull equipment for the ISAF Youth World Championship each year.”

Brett Goodall, Manager of Goodall Design, stated “We would love to offer the VIPER F16 to ISAF.
It is the perfect high-performance development catamaran. However, we could not find a viable economic solution for the request to provide equipment for the ISAF Youth World Championships each year, while maintaining the cost of the boat”

To provide catamarans for the Youth worlds would be a very costly exercise. Normally new boats leased for one regatta and then sold attract a discount of around 30%. Ex Youth World Championship boats would need to be sold through dealer networks, who would still expect their margin, so the majority of this discount would flow back to the manufacturer.

Not only that, but the supplier would be expected to cover the cost of freight to and from the Championship venue; and the cost of supplying a support team to build and maintain the boats in racing condition. Taking all costs into consideration, it has been estimated that the direct cost to the manufacturer for supplying catamarans for the ISAF Youth World Championships each would be in the vicinity of €70,000 per year. This also assumes all boats are sold directly after the event.

“Ok… But wouldn’t there be an increase in the number of boats sold to help cover these costs?” Brett Goodall explains. “You only need to look at ISAF’s records of sales for other Youth Boats and realise that this is very unlikely.”

Consider the 29er; according to ISAF records, the sales figures for a new 29er over the last 3 years has been:

Year
Boats Sold (INC 30 supplied to Youth Worlds)
2011
134
2012
127
2013
93
AVERAGE SALES PER ANNUM
118 boats per year

Assuming these figures INCLUDE the boats supplied to the Youth Worlds; this means only 63 29ers were sold through the normal channels in 2013.

As the Youth Catamaran is going to be more expensive than the 29er, and the catamaran market is much smaller than the skiff market, it would be feasible to predict that the sales figures for the Youth Catamaran will be considerably less than the sales figures shown (above) for the 29er.

To simply cover the out-of-pocket cost of supplying boats to the ISAF Youth World Championships, it is clear that the wholesale price of the Youth Catamaran would need to immediately increase by at least €1,000, simply to cover the cost of supplying boats to the ISAF Youth World Championships. Once dealer margins, duty and taxes have been taken into consideration, the final retail price would increase by more than €1,500.

Brett Goodall stated, “Goodall Design is committed to developing Youth Sailors; as seen by our support in various countries including USA, Belgium, France and Australia. But we cannot justify this huge jump in price just to supply boats for the elite few Youth Sailors who make it to the ISAF Youth Worlds”

The VIPER F16 is the perfect development pathway boat. It is a high-performance catamaran that challenges both youth and adults alike. The rig tune and setup is similar to the Olympic catamaran and hence creates the opportunity for sailors to develop their technical knowledge and understanding of high performance rigs. As the VIPER F16 has already established good fleet numbers in countries throughout Europe, USA and Asia, there is currently a good supply of second hand boats.

It has various configurations that allow for differing weights and skill level. The smaller “Strike” rig is ideal for the lighter crews, while the standard rig with “L-Foils” is designed to give more advanced crews the thrill and experience of a true foiling catamaran. The use of the same platform means transition costs are kept to a minimal.

Brett Goodall concludes that, “even though we have decided not to offer the VIPER F16 to ISAF as the Youth Sailing World Championship Multihull, we will continue to support any country that chooses the VIPER F16 for its own development squad. To this extent, we have a strong coaching team that would assist these countries to set up their elite catamaran youth programs.”

Any organisation interested in setting up a VIPER F16 Pathway is encouraged to contact [email protected] for more information.”

9 Responses

  1. Gav Colby says:

    There is a boat. Been around for 40+ years. World wide dealer network. Second hand and affordable new boats. Close one design racing. And has produced the best catamaran sailors in the World, who are still at the Top of their fleets! Sailing around on a fancy, light, hi tech boat is great but in reality it only exists in the delusional world of a select few. Keep the costs down, the racing close and we may see things turn around. Until then, cat sailing will continue its decline.

  2. Mauro Fassina says:

    I totally agree with the position of Goodall, federations must take charge of evolution, and to evolve practitioners and members of their federation, and not just collect the personal commitment of a few true lovers, without any development program.
    The shipyards and builders to do their work to practitioners offering simple, high-performance boats.

  3. Max says:

    hi martin, you mention 'refined F18 development (weight aspect)'. i've probably missed it but does that mean that changes of total weight of the F18's is being discussed? that would be great. i'm planning to sell my C2 for a lighter preferably 18 foot cat, but cannot really find a good alternative. i'm dreaming of a 130kg 18 footer.

  4. catsailingnews says:

    Hi Max There is no change whatsoever planned for the F18. Nobody wants change. I investigated a carbon mast solution but it is not cheap, and weight gain is not that much on that change alone.

    I mentioned above that within Class box rules the F18 is pretty refined, only weight remains outdated. That might be the only aspect to think ahead in the long term.(+10yrs)

    No changes in sight as far as I know. Not in the WC anymore.

    For a lighter 18 you have the A, N17 or FP.

  5. Richard says:

    Taipan 5.7 is the boat for you (135-140kg). Has been out of production for a few years, but new moulds have been made and the first new boat will be on the water by Christmas. Hulls will be built in Australia by ex-Boyer staff. Taipan 4.9 hull production has also returned to Australia from the same builder.

  6. max says:

    hi richard, i'm intrigued! it would be interesting to get some more details and contact information of the builder.

  7. Richard says:

    Taipan 4.9 and 5.7 were designed by Jim Boyer and Greg Goodall and were supplied by AHPC (now Goodall Design). However, the very active Australian Taipan Catamaran Association is now promoting the boats and arranging for the new hulls to be produced. Keep an eye on our website for updates. We intend 're-launching' the 4.9 and 5.7 when the first of the new boats are on the water. https://www.taipan.asn.au/builders.php

  8. Dennis McCredie says:

    Sorry Gav. They don't get. Paying more and having less fun. We have been blessed to have the racing and friendships all this time. Treasure it.

  9. catsailingnews says:

    Hi Guys, you might be right, I started sailing Multis in the H16. But trying to force now adays creating new fleets with it might not be the best solution or in the interest for newcomers to our sport. Being realistic who or where new H16 are being formed?

    Sadly Hobie is letting their past dominance in the market and in the Multi sailing community in hands of others being more pro active, like Nacra for isntance.

    A new modern Hobie 16 footer a la Viper but with 8mts mast would be a blast. Or a daggerless a la Nacra 500 format, but made by Hobie.

    Same with the F18, they have abandoned the Class too.